24.05.2012, 14:08
There was once a german article about lesbian and gay representation in magazines, newspapers etc. Especially about how often the words schwul, lesbisch, homosexuell were used in the headlines. And it was clear that even if the article was also about lesbian or homosexuality in general lesbians were seldomly adressed in the headline and I think (duno exactly anymore) less adressed in the article.UKFan hat geschrieben:To be honest, I think it's English soaps in general, Hollyoaks/EastEnders/Coronation Street/Emmerdale (which I don't watch but from what I've heard) all seem to favour gay storylines over lesbian ones. And I don't think the writers are always at fault, I also think the public play a big part in it too.
24.05.2012, 14:08
25.05.2012, 00:24
LolaRuns hat geschrieben:Marlene has been on the show for a bit over a year.
There are three Wolf sisters,
Marlene who you know
Dana aka horsegirl who stole Marlene's husband
And Kim the crazy quirky teenager
Marlene came on the show as Hagen's fiance, later wife. And for the first part she mainly served as an obstacle to Dana's forbidden love for Hagen, existing mostly to make Dana feel guilty or to prove how bad she and Hagen fit together and how Dana understood him much better. Tristan was kinda around back then already and fell for her near the end of the story when Hagen left Marlene for his affair with Dana while Marlene kept trying to win Hagen back for quite a long time. After that she was raped by a friend of Tristan's which was mostly a family story where her family were the only ones who knew and Marlene was at first obsessed with the idea that nobody must find out she was raped, refusing to report it, just digging herself in. Eventually, with the support of her family and friends, particularly Dana, she reported the rape and stood up to the rapist in court where he somewhat soapily/surprisingly confessed on the stand when Marlene confronted him.
After the trial was over and after officially making up with Dana, after much prodding from family and friends Marlene decided she should give a relationship with Tristan a chance after all which was when Rebecca rolled into town/which stars the official Marbecca backstory. Marlene found out that she was pregnant and wanted to have an abortion at all costs (once again trying to hide everything to do with the pregnancy from Tristan) while Tristan wanted her to keep it should the child turn out out be his. Marlene eventually had an abortion without testing who the father was and she and Tristan had a big row over it because Marlene refused to feel sorry/apologize for having the abortion at the risk of it being Tristan's child and even lying to Tristan about having had a paternity test when she hadn't. Tristan wanted to break up with her back then but Marlene suggested they instead plan a club together ignoring the voices of a whole bunch of people that that was crappy idea and she was just using this so she and Tristan would have something to talk about so they wouldn't have to talk about the abortion (and indeed they never properly did).
Around that time the first Marbecca episodes happened with Dana and Hagen getting engaged and Marlene being insecure about not being able to sleep with Tristan and Rebecca falling for her.
In between there were also a bunch of side stories that affected Marlene, such as the family finding out that Marlene's youngest sister Kim was actually the product of a one night stand of her mom with another man, her mother nearly cheating on her father and them subsequently nearly breaking up and Marlene's fun fast friendship with the resident master bitch/villain Tanja (you might know her as the disapproving blonde boss of Rebecca's). Tanja is married to Rebecca's other brother Sebastian and they have a child together and Marlene is kinda of their resident shipper and cheerleader.
25.05.2012, 00:52
hoppetosse hat geschrieben:There was once a german article about lesbian and gay representation in magazines, newspapers etc. Especially about how often the words schwul, lesbisch, homosexuell were used in the headlines. And it was clear that even if the article was also about lesbian or homosexuality in general lesbians were seldomly adressed in the headline and I think (duno exactly anymore) less adressed in the article.UKFan hat geschrieben:To be honest, I think it's English soaps in general, Hollyoaks/EastEnders/Coronation Street/Emmerdale (which I don't watch but from what I've heard) all seem to favour gay storylines over lesbian ones. And I don't think the writers are always at fault, I also think the public play a big part in it too.
Not sure why this public "lesbian-phobia" or ignorance exists, but it's a historical fact. I've got a few ideas on this, from general misogynie which is still there, to opposing ideas, that gay men (or better the picture which is shown) are seen as more female and this is less threating than women who are a competition to other men. There are quite a lot straight women who are fans of gay tv couples, but I more seldomly hear of men who are fans of lesbian tv couple (in a respectful way).
that's just a few quick thoughts on this, what are yours on it?
25.05.2012, 01:04
25.05.2012, 01:17
sorry to say, but they are. I mean homophobia doesn't mean only that you are against homosexuals and speak out loudly against it, it also means that you feel uncomfortable because of any fears you might have. It's called homophobia for some reasons. Maybe they are threatened of some male parts in themselves or of strange pictures hidden in the big sea of the unconsciousUKFan hat geschrieben:My female mates actually can't even bear to watch lesbians on TV and yet don't mind, actually some even ship gay pairings. I know this sounds really bad but it's not like their homophobic or anything it's hard to explain. 'Til this day I've still not come across another straight woman in RL who doesn't mind lesbian couples like me. What can I say, we live in a effed up world.
well, gay men don't hit on you, but lesbians couldUKFan hat geschrieben:It's actually quite funny straight women prefer gays and find them less threatening when they're the ones stealing their men and lesbians are no threat whatsoever.
25.05.2012, 01:22
hoppetosse hat geschrieben:Rebecca and Tristan are part of an aristocratic family - the "von Lahnsteins". Their family lives since nearly 800 years at this place - the castle called Königsbrunn. Rebecca has 4 siblings. Tanja is married to Sebastian which is Rebeccas second oldest brother and Hagen, who is the oldest brother is now married to Dana (Marlene sister) - so you are right about him being Marlene's ex-hubby! The orangery where Rebecca lives is part of the castle but a bit aside. She wanted to have some distance from the family that's why she insisted to live there and tried to get Ricardo out, who was invited by Rebecca's cousin Nico to live there during her absence (she went on a trip to Tibet).
Because Marlene was already together with 2 Lahnsteins (Hagen + now Tristan) and seems to get together with the third (Rebecca) - there are already quite some jokes about her - only having two left and that she'll surely manage that too
25.05.2012, 01:30
hoppetosse hat geschrieben:sorry to say, but they are. I mean homophobia doesn't mean only that you are against homosexuals and speak out loudly against it, it also means that you feel uncomfortable because of any fears you might have. It's called homophobia for some reasons. Maybe they are threatened of some male parts in themselves or of strange pictures hidden in the big sea of the unconsciousUKFan hat geschrieben:My female mates actually can't even bear to watch lesbians on TV and yet don't mind, actually some even ship gay pairings. I know this sounds really bad but it's not like their homophobic or anything it's hard to explain. 'Til this day I've still not come across another straight woman in RL who doesn't mind lesbian couples like me. What can I say, we live in a effed up world.
I think if you love your own gender you also have to confront old build-in and hidden fears/prejudices/valuations from the society about your own sex, which you'd never need to confront that much if you love the opposite gender.
hoppetosse hat geschrieben:well, gay men don't hit on you, but lesbians couldUKFan hat geschrieben:It's actually quite funny straight women prefer gays and find them less threatening when they're the ones stealing their men and lesbians are no threat whatsoever.
25.05.2012, 03:00
25.05.2012, 04:05
And the best part is, Tristan actually used to sleep with Dana too. He was like Dana's first boyfriend when Dana arrived on the show I always thought it was super creepy that Hagen and Tristan "exchanged" women like that. Tristan used to be with Dana and Hagen with Marlene, but then Hagen fell in love with Dana and Tristan kind of "took over" Marlene. There was even some really awkward dialog between both Dana/Marlene and Hagen/Tristan about it. Tristan also used to cover up Hagen and Dana's affair in front of Marlene (like Marlene founds Dana in a state of undress the morning after Dana's one night stand with Hagen and Tristan went along with being Dana's alibi because he knew what had happened between Hagen and Dana).
Boring tall Hagen who used to be with Marlene and who is now with Dana. He manages a farm of race horses and Dana is his jockey.
Meanwhile the twins Tristan&Helena emotionally withdrew from the rest of the family and this emotional isolation caused Tristan to become romantically obsessed with Helena.
Anyway, a few years ago Helena, with the help of her then boyfriend Andi discovered that her father Ludwig was still alive and she, Tristan and Andi went to save him and brought him back to town.
As a way of trying to make family peace Ludwig then came up with this idea of a company board where everybody has a vote as long as they have Lahnstein blood (+Tanja because she had lots of money )
25.05.2012, 05:28
This is seriously messed up. So did Marlene ever find out Tristan used to cover up for Dana/Hagen?
OH that's what you meant by horsegirl! Boy, how wrong was I.
WHAT?!
Kinda off topic, but I like Andi, he makes me laugh. Always thought he was just a background character, mind.
So is Ludwig still in it? I can't ever recall seeing him. However it could be down to the fact I've only ever watched Marlene/Rebecca scenes.
25.05.2012, 12:57
25.05.2012, 13:31
just to make sure: my thoughts on this weren't meant in any way as an accusation (even gay people have to deal with homophobia in themselves - more or less at different times and stages). And it was just a few ideas, what MIGHT be some reasons. I certainly can't know for sureUKFan hat geschrieben:LOL, you do have some valid points here, but I think for argument's sake we better leave it at that.
27.05.2012, 23:08
Let's just say Tristan is generally not exactly what you call emotionally stable. There were a lot of errr fun moments like:
1.) Tristan throwing himself down the stairs so Andi would look bad and Helena would coddle him
2.) Tristan trying to beat Andi to death with a tree branch
3.) Tristan developing an alter ego that talked to him in his mirror
4.) Tristan trying to kill himself with Helena on the phone
5.) Tristan paying a maid so she would wear Helena's clothes, wear a Helena wig and have sex with him in Helena's bed while calling her Helena
And of course the big money shot of the story was Tristan roofie-ing Helena so he could grope her in peace (though he thankfully freaked himself out before getting to her bra and that lead to the suicide attempt from point 4.)).
Have some music videos from that time
The worst part is that he and the Helena actress had some really sexy chemistry in his dream sequences and really cool chemistry in their fighting scenes. You you still have the occasional people who still hope that she will turn out to have been switched at birth so they can go another round.
Anyway, Tristan got cured by soap magic wand-ism and it really had little effect on the current storyline
Heh, he was actually the resident hot guy of the show many years ago who had tons of romances
He is the old guy who hugs Rebecca in the episode where she comes back into town on her motorcycle. He and his wife are also I think in the scenes where everybody comes back to the castle after Dana and Hagen's wedding and also in the scene where Dana and Hagen announce their engagement.
But I heartily recommend watching the videos around Rebecca's aunt Carla (the sister of Ansgar) who was also a lesbian and had many great love stories. Most of the characters from her era are not around anymore, but she's still very cool and the general storyline style of the show is still similar.
27.05.2012, 23:18
you can watch the entire episodes on the official website of Verbotene Liebe - ARD is the broadcaster - they aren't geoblocked - and there's also nicolewillemsen where you can find full eps - but no translations for them.
just to make sure: my thoughts on this weren't meant in any way as an accusation (even gay people have to deal with homophobia in themselves - more or less at different times and stages). And it was just a few ideas, what MIGHT be some reasons. I certainly can't know for sure
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